Work? What work? Mull over socio-political abstractions instead!
1. I suggest you go over to Feministe and check out the discussion of personal choice versus collective responsibility. This is the issue as I understand it: although women with children may want to leave the workforce, this generally reduces the number of working women and makes men less likely to introduce the kind of working conditions that would make it easier for women to remain at work in the first place. Should women make personal decisions based upon their larger political implications? Granted, both women and men (at least those with a social concience) make this kind of choice all the time, but this goes slightly beyond having a Cingular cell phone because their employees are unionized. I haven't decided where I fall - comments?
2. Browsing the archives of this very blog, I realized that men are heavily objectified; treated as little more than a collection of parts for the purpose of sexual gratification. I got to thinking - what are the political implications of objectifying men? Is it 'right', not just to comment on the attractiveness of men, but also to speculate on how they might be manipulated into various sexual acts? I think there are three points of view one can take. The first is that turnabout is fair play, and because men have subjected women to this cold gaze for so long, they should be - deserve to be - dehumanized in this way. Perhaps it will teach them how harmful and hurtful objectification is. Although this strikes me as somewhat punative, I'd be willing to take arguments.
A second (and not necessarily mutually exclusive) possibility is the objectification of men OK because there is (in Twisty-ian terms) an intrinsic power imbalance between men and women. Perhaps sexualization is a tool that can be used to increase women's social power at the expense of men. Note that this requires equating social power with sexual power. As women, do we want to play into this game, or do we want to change the game itself?
Finally, one could argue that, just as women are not uteruses with legs, men are not sperm delivery systems, and have just as much right to be treated as a complete human being. Although this is a superficially pleasing, "why-can't-we-all-just-get-along" viewpoint, it requires one to ignore the weight of history, and some might see it as hopelessly naive.
I'd like to know what people, both women and men, think about the treatment of men as sexual objects. Am I an evil oppressor? A feminist champion? A girl-nerd who overestimates the social and political importance of her actions, and like legions of guy-nerds, is just bitter about her inability to get laid?
2. Browsing the archives of this very blog, I realized that men are heavily objectified; treated as little more than a collection of parts for the purpose of sexual gratification. I got to thinking - what are the political implications of objectifying men? Is it 'right', not just to comment on the attractiveness of men, but also to speculate on how they might be manipulated into various sexual acts? I think there are three points of view one can take. The first is that turnabout is fair play, and because men have subjected women to this cold gaze for so long, they should be - deserve to be - dehumanized in this way. Perhaps it will teach them how harmful and hurtful objectification is. Although this strikes me as somewhat punative, I'd be willing to take arguments.
A second (and not necessarily mutually exclusive) possibility is the objectification of men OK because there is (in Twisty-ian terms) an intrinsic power imbalance between men and women. Perhaps sexualization is a tool that can be used to increase women's social power at the expense of men. Note that this requires equating social power with sexual power. As women, do we want to play into this game, or do we want to change the game itself?
Finally, one could argue that, just as women are not uteruses with legs, men are not sperm delivery systems, and have just as much right to be treated as a complete human being. Although this is a superficially pleasing, "why-can't-we-all-just-get-along" viewpoint, it requires one to ignore the weight of history, and some might see it as hopelessly naive.
I'd like to know what people, both women and men, think about the treatment of men as sexual objects. Am I an evil oppressor? A feminist champion? A girl-nerd who overestimates the social and political importance of her actions, and like legions of guy-nerds, is just bitter about her inability to get laid?
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Wow! OK, my 2-cents:
I believe that fewer women in the workforce does not mean that men are going to revert back to the 50's mentality. I'm sure there are men out there who would love to do this, but, perhaps with all the 'softening' men have been forced to go through, they will want to have the family leave benefits and others. Does that make sense?
As for the men...They are more than sperm donors, I don't particularly care to stare at penises, but why can't we have fun with and looking at them? I drool over my husband's back, legs, and defined arms, but I also let him take out the garbage and change the oil on the cars.
Maybe I'm being naive, but why can't we just find a happy medium to work in? There will be swings one way or another, but there shouldn't be this all-or-nothing mentality either. Perhaps we have Prez Bushy to thank for that.
Sadly, it's a different world out here...
What a great question!
A second (and not necessarily mutually exclusive) possibility is the objectification of men OK because there is (in Twisty-ian terms) an intrinsic power imbalance between men and women. Perhaps sexualization is a tool that can be used to increase women's social power at the expense of men. Note that this requires equating social power with sexual power. As women, do we want to play into this game, or do we want to change the game itself?
This is where I'm at right now, and you've asked the $24,000 question about it. As kind of an experiment, I did a little objectifying of men in a presentation I had to do for a foreign language class. I chose as my topic the World Cup, and offered as one reason that people should watch the World Cup, that the players were hot and had great legs. This came completely with a selection of photographs of "Mis Novios Imaginarios."
It made the class laugh. The women laughed more than the men. The (male) professor was, I think, I little surprised/taken aback but he was ultimately amused. Part of the assignment was to ask the class questions at the end of the presentation. One of my questions was, who has the best legs? "Britney Spears?" the professor suggested.
Ultimately, I experienced this as a positive event, an exercise of political power. What I was doing here was not explicitly discussed but I think almost everyone got it: that I was flipping the tables on the fashion model/beautiful woman as sex object thing, and also the here-are-the-hot-men-you-girls-should-worship thing. I chose the men myself and explained why I thought they were hot. And it was different than what you usually see and that made a subtle point. Several people told me afterward that they really liked my presentation.
Still I'm not sure about the question you answer. Do we really want to go there? I don't know. Would I do this again under different circumstances? I'm not sure, but I do feel good about the small thing I was able to accomplish in that class. It felt right.
Personally, it has given me much self-esteem or satisfaction to objectify men, both with images and with writing erotica involving actors or characters from movies.
I do sometimes think that perhaps these men would not want to be written about...but since I don't show it to them personally, I don't see why my fantasies should be suppressed.
I don't treat men like lower beings just because I objectify them. The objectifying takes place in private or not to their faces.
Does that make it right? I don't know but I won't stop doing it.
Also, I don't mind men objectifying ME as long as they respect me and my boundaries.
Fantasies are not actions.
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